The frustrations of being a fashion blogger in second life

Let me start by saying that this is post is going to be a little bit of a rant post. I need to get some of my frustrations out and this is my blog so I figure why not put it up here. This isn’t going to be a typical post, I’ll put a picture or two up here and I’ll link to it all at the bottom, so if you just want to see a fashion post, go to the bottom to see where I got the stuff in the pictures. This is some of my frustrations as a blogger. This is by no means to say that I’m the most popular blogger out there, far from it, I’m fairly small to a lot of people out there, so I’d hate to think of what those people go through, maybe it’s similar, maybe it’s not. This is just a post of my experiences. Read below, or not, it’s up to you 🙂

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So I started my blog as a hobby ten months ago. I didn’t have sponsors, I wasn’t syndicated, I was just sitting around telling my friends where I got items from when I made up outfits. When my friend Tay suggested making a blog I jumped at the chance as I thought it would be an easier way to show my friends where I got stuff, that and I have been taking pics in sl for years now on my Flickr so I thought why not start a blog and take pictures of my outfits and write down where I got stuff from.

From here I started to get into it a bit more. As my friends know, I study marketing, advertising and business Irl so I started to get interested in how to market my blog and to get more viewers, the more popular my blog has been getting, the more sponsors I’ve gotten the more frustrated I’ve become with some parts of being a fashion blogger in second life.

What’s made me want to write this post is last night I received an offline about a designer that had asked that their item be shown more prominently on the post if their item was to be tagged. Now I wasn’t asked to blog this item, they’re not a sponsor, I’m not going to name the item or the post. It was a nail applier, the pictures in question show that I’m wearing an applier, if you look at the original size you can see detail, but you can’t exactly see the detail clearly just looking at the post.

Now what has got me frustrated is this. In this particular instance I wasn’t asked to blog this item, I did what I thought was a good thing for the designer by writing that I’m even wearing a nail applier on the picture. I could have left it out, but as the developer is part of a group that I blog for and the item had been sent out to that group, I thought hey, might as well mention it and give that person some exposure, can’t hurt right? Well apparently wrong, as it didn’t show the detail so might as well not tag at all in the eyes of the designer.

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This is my frustration. Do designers expect too much of bloggers? If I’m wearing your item, in this case a nail applier, if you can see that it’s an applier on my fingers in the picture, isn’t that enough to be able to say, “hey I’m wearing this applier, it’s by this designer and you can get it here”? Is the expectation that everything has to be put in clear detail and put on the page as a clear image too much? Isn’t it enough to have the item shown on the page and to credit that item? As long as it’s there it should be linked to.

In the end I think there’s a bit of a wall between some designers and bloggers. The designers think that because they give out products to bloggers for free that we as bloggers are required to show their item in crisp, clear detail that features it. In all honesty, we don’t have to do anything. We don’t get paid money to spend hours setting up pictures, editing them, putting in all the links in a post and then publishing it. We get paid goods, and in that we should be able to advertise those goods as we see fit, as long as they are in a picture that you can see then we are doing our “job”. The amount of work that we put in after the actual blog post itself is voluntary as well, putting pictures up on flickr, adding them to groups, putting them on other social media, spamming other groups, putting in applications to feeds to get syndicated, not hearing back from most of those feeds, getting put on others that want all of our posts to show up so we don’t actually get traffic from said feed to our actual blog but get views on the feed and so on.

Then there’s the inventory mess, don’t get me started on that, I look at my inventory and want to cry at the sheer amount of time that I need to put in to sort it out, I’d need to take a month break from blogging just to sort out my inventory and when I think about the amount of items to go through it makes me want to pull my hair out.

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I guess what this rant comes down to is that I feel as if the expectations that are put on bloggers by designers can sometimes just get downright unfair, we understand that you put hard work into your items, we respect and appreciate being added to your bloggers groups, but in saying that, the fact that we put in effort to give you what is essentially free advertising can sometimes be overlooked. I’m not saying that bloggers are owed anything, we do it because we love it, I’m not saying that designers owe us anything at all apart from a little respect for what we do, the process that we go through to give designers advertising through social media.

I’ve had to deal with some really rude designers while blogging, and it makes me wonder why, it’s like some designers think that because we blog, because we get given free items that we should feel privileged and that we owe them something for that right. Well, sure, we owe you a picture and a blog post, that doesn’t mean that we owe you the hours of administration afterwards to get that post seen, that is digital marketing, something that businesses pay for in real life, the time spent adding people to facebook to invite to like a page, posting in second life spam groups on facebook, posting in second life spam groups on flickr, that is something that I do voluntarily to get more views to my blog so that my sponsors items can be seen by more people. I could sit here all day, bash out pictures showing items all day, they don’t have to be anything special to meet requirements, just high resolution.

I’ve been told by stores that “your pictures aren’t good enough” as a reason as to why I was unsuccessful in becoming a blogger for a store, fair enough this was back before I started using photoshop, but all my pictures were still high resolution, the simple fact that they weren’t photoshopped meant that I couldn’t be a blogger, the fact that I put in hours of work getting an outfit done, taking pictures, and spamming on various social networks didn’t mean anything, no photoshop, no blogger rights. I’ve seen stores that have said that everything that is released must be blogged within ten days of it being released, even though not everything a blogger gets is going to fit their style. I’ve seen some pretty unrealistic expectations. That’s without the “you must be joined up to at least three feeds”, “you must have so and so amount of views on flickr” and all the other hoops that you have to jump through to get a sponsor in the first place. I’m not saying that these are unfair or anything, some of them are fair, while some of them such as the feeds I’m still trying to work out the reasoning behind, considering a very low portion of my blogs views come from feeds, I personally believe that feeds aren’t very important at all when it comes to looking at someone’s blog.

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I guess the message I’m trying to put forward in this “rant” is for designers to just stop and think for a moment before complaining about what a blogger has done with their items. As a designer you are getting free exposure and free advertising by bloggers blogging your items. It’s a privilege for us getting items to blog yes, but it’s also a privilege for you to get free advertising. Think about this for a moment. If you didn’t have people blogging your items, you would have to put in the hours of work putting your items up on all of the social media sites that your bloggers do. You would have to take pictures that weren’t just your vendor pictures, as blogging is a different form of advertising. It’s putting items in poses, in places that people can visit, in outfits with other items that show users of your products the functionality of your items. It’s putting in effort on top of the effort that you already do to make the items. While some designers might do this already, I don’t see a lot of stores putting up pictures and blog posts of items that aren’t just straight out store advertising. So be a little grateful in future when you’re looking at someone’s blog post and your items are there, but not in the way you may want them to be. Because in the end, you could always go and do all the work yourself.

Quick edit It was brought to my attention in world that there could possibly be the assumption that the store I’m talking about when it comes to the nail appliers in question is the one that I mention in this post Dark Passions. I’d just like to clarify that this is not the case at all. I put nail appliers on and blogged them in this post but these pictures have nothing to do with the previous blog post mentioned. I kept the name of the store out of this post in respect for the designer as I really don’t have anything against them, I just wanted to get my opinion out on the expectations of designers and used this as an example along with other experiences I’ve had. I’m sorry if this has caused any confusion

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Eyebrows – LOUX – Eyebrows Model 6-4

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82 thoughts on “The frustrations of being a fashion blogger in second life

  1. Interesting read. I don’t focus on fashion on my blog, but I’ve become tangentially involved. I don’t understand the feeds either – 99% of them all have the exact same posts, so why is 3+ feeds a requirement? And personally I think the amount of view some designers want on Flickr is ridiculous.
    I don’t want to spam my photo to 600+ groups just to hit a view requirement for a designer that may or may not consider me based on that. It’s too easy to game Flickr, imo.
    As for nail appliers, I can see both sides. You’re right, it’s a ton of work to set up an outfit, find a location or build a set, take photos, edit them, then write up a post with all the credits and links.
    But as a shopper, if I can’t see what the nail applier looks like beyond the color, I probably won’t be interested.
    Since you say the applier were review copies, I wonder if just adding in the vendor pic from the designer into the post would help? Assuming there is one, of course.
    Sorry for the book, but you touched on some issues I’ve wondered about, and some of them have kept me from pursuing a fashion blog. :/

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    • Hi Kat 🙂 I’m glad you found it interesting! I honestly wasn’t really expecting anyone to read it and have been quite nervous of backlash if anyone did!

      The feeds topic is one that I’d love to get designers input on, I’d love to know what they actually expect out of having 3+ feeds as opposed to the blogger going through other social media sites to get views, as I get maybe one or two hits from feeds a day and ten or more from facebook and flickr. I find the requirement that you’re on three or more feeds to be a bit silly, especially when combined with having a certain amount of hits on your blog as having your blog syndicated on feeds and having hits on your actual web page do not go hand in hand.

      Flickr is an interesting one, I find that I get more views having my pictures in 300+ groups, but I also find it to be tiring having to keep up to date with the groups as a lot of these are forced comment groups so I have to spend a good couple of days putting comments on other people’s pictures, while I would actually enjoy doing this usually, I find while trying to keep up to date with my blogging requirements it gets exhausting trying to keep up with the flickr groups as well.

      When it comes to the nail applier, I see your point, but lets look at it in a different perspective. You see a girl while shopping at an event who is wearing a nail applier and the colour catches your eye. Are you going to zoom in to look at the details? or are you just going to ask the girl where she got her nails from? Most people would just ask, which is why I didn’t think that details was a bit issue.

      In saying that you’ve brought up a another topic that I haven’t touched on in saying to put the vendor pic up. I did that for this post as I’m wearing a nail applier again, but it doesn’t show the details. Unfortunately most designers don’t put full perm vendor pics in their review copies. A lot of designers don’t even put the landmark in with their review copies. I spend a lot of my time clicking edit on items, going to designers profiles and then copying the slurl from their profile pick of their store. That adds a lot more time to blogging. To add the vendor pic that I put in this post, I went to flickr, looked up the designer, browsed through their pics until I found the vendor pic for these nails and I was lucky enough that it was able to be downloaded. A lot of designers don’t think of this or they put their pictures up unable to be downloaded. If however, designers put in a notecard with their releases with all of the required information including a full perm vendor pic, life would be so much easier!

      Don’t be sorry for the book either haha I’ve written more of one in a reply! I’m glad that you commented and I’m glad that it has touched on some issues for other bloggers as well, it means I’m not the only one with these frustrations! haha

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      • Wow – clearly, by the response, you are not alone in how you feel! Many of these reasons are why I chose not to pursue fashion blogging in sl – I don’t deal well with being told what to do, especially when it comes to writing. I blog because I like it and I’m good at it. I don’t tell designers what/how to design, so it’s hard to understand why they feel it’s okay to tell a blogger what to do.
        Someone mentioned a ‘meet up’ for bloggers – I think this is a terrific idea!!! I would love to get off of my platform and actually meet some other bloggers!

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      • Me too! So much of my time is spent standing at my skybox or on my platform going through items. I used to be sociable on here haha the more I’ve gotten into blogging the less sociable I’ve become!

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      • Well, I don’t know enough people to make it happen, but I’d totally be on board with volunteering to help if someone with connections could get the ball rolling!! I really would LOVE the opportunity to meet other bloggers. 🙂

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  2. Reblogged this on SL Blogger Support and commented:
    Leesee79, a frequent commenter on this blog has written a thought-provoking post on the frustrations that she, and I would guess other fashion bloggers feel (I’ve certainly heard it), about what she calls the “wall between some designers and bloggers”. So, I’m sharing it here, on SL Blogger Support.

    I can imagine Leesee might have been somewhat trepidatious about publishing this post – and I can see why some designers might disagree with her. Perhaps some bloggers too, I don’t know.

    With that said, I think it’s very important that bloggers speak their minds on their blogs, without fear of being shunned. At the same time, I know that it isn’t always easy to stick your neck out (as I do, frequently) because of the possible backlash that the internet enables from would-be keyboard warriors with axes to grind, and too much time on their hands (as I get, often 😉 )

    So, I’m going to make an offer to you, my frustrated-fashion-bloggers (or FBBs). Send me your stories. Tell me your frustrations. I’m not beholden to anyone, I have no sponsorships to lose; besides that, I’m relatively uninhibited when it comes to calling a spade a spade. I’ll even keep your name out of it – if you like – and you can get your thoughts out there – fearlessly. Perhaps as more bloggers come forth with legitimate frustrations, more might be encouraged to speak their minds, and an ethos of fairness and professionalism might prevail.

    Or, it might just be igniting all-out flame wars, who knows?

    All I ask, is that if you share your stories with me, that you keep it civil, focus on the problem – not the person, and back up your claims with evidence. Who knows, if you write a post intending to share it with me, you might even feel brave enough to do so under your own name after all, like Leecee did.

    Enjoy.

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    • Wow I wasn’t expecting this when I put the post up! haha Thanks for your support! I have to admit I was rather nervous publishing this post because of the possible backlash. I wasn’t having a go at any of my sponsors, in fact, the times where I’ve spoken to my sponsors they have all been genuinely nice people who are quite understanding and grateful for honest feedback when it comes to any faults in their items etc.

      I just find that some designers aren’t all that nice when it comes to how they treat bloggers or they have unreal expectations and I felt the need to vent. Hopefully my post is seen for what it is, a vent and not an attack at anyone in particular.

      I hope that if it does start up some discussions that maybe it will help designers and bloggers have a better relationship in the future.

      Now that this reply will finally work instead of sending me in circles I’m going to shrink back into my skybox and hide hahaha

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  3. Hello Leesee I salute you for writing this post. This are my thoughts as well and I admire the fact that you can say it so perfectly ( I am Dutch so I kind of suck in Englisch writing )
    Being a blogger is hard work as well . I love it but it is a lot of work Just wrote a post yesterday how stressfull it can be sometimes http://pixelstyles.blogspot.nl/2015/07/1171-how-organized-are-you.html
    I know for sure some will not react well on this post but I know for sure you don’t “need” those ppl anyway

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    • Thanks for your reply and for linking your post! You’ve definitely got more organizational skills than me! I tried to start to sort out my inventory but I’m lazy when it comes to that, I really need to work out a system. I think it would be awesome for other bloggers to share what system they have for not just organizing their inventory as I’ve seen a few of those now, but for those with sponsors, how they keep track of the requirements for each store etc as I haven’t really seen any posts on that apart from what you’ve briefly touched on in your post. All that beeping would be driving me crazy!

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  4. Hi 🙂 I saw your post on SL Blogger Support. I think everyone should be free to have their own opinions on their own blog, good for you for speaking your mind. I am eternally grateful for fashion bloggers, as a lazy male shopper I doubt I would find very much to wear in SL without the work bloggers put in to help me find stuff. I don’t use or look at flickr, I prefer blog posts. I have to agree with one of the commenters above, I think if an item doesn’t really show up in a picture then it wont’ spark my interest, so perhaps unless they are a main feature of your post it’s not worth mentioning them. But all the requirements people make on others who give their services for free? meh. Do what you love and love what you do, that’s all we need to care about in SL 🙂

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  5. Blogging is a very different beast now to what it was when I started years ago. Back then getting review packs was a rarity, but now we find creators advertising for bloggers to share their wares. It’s completely turned around. Fundamentally it’s about sales, and that’s something you have to take on board if you’re accepted to blog an event or a brand.
    There’s a lot to be said for keeping your circle tight and not actually being in blogger groups. You can actually properly review an item that way, something we don’t see much of these days. I can give you an example, a few days ago I splashed out on the Genesis ‘Alex’ Mesh Head. I wanted to feature this item because I was curious and also knew that there was a lot of interest in it. By purchasing it myself, even though it was incredibly expensive, I was free of any constraints that would have meant that I couldn’t be critical of it. There are some brands I regularly blog-for, but there are only about eight of those and they never pressure me, which I appreciate immensely. It means that we have mutual respect and when I write about their work I will strive to do my very best by them.
    Of course, if you don’t have the cash to splash on purchasing items then you do have to rely on being in a content creator’s group and abiding by the rules. Now this is where it can get sticky I find. I’ve heard of demands that border on the ludicrous, and that’s something I really have no time for. Additionally, you have a lot of constraints upon how many posts you write, what you feature and how it’s done. I’m not the kind of person to write a few lines and that’s it, job done (how I wish I were!), I like to write about items thoroughly and if someone has been courteous enough to give me a blogger copy then I want to do right by them and really big it up. But this takes time. Also, working on the accompanying photograph and post-processing it, as well as adding lists of credits can all add up to a post taking three or four hours, sometimes more.
    Despite the age of my blog I don’t believe I’m considered to be in in the ‘upper echelon’ of bloggers, and that’s fair enough. It’s not something I ever strived for in the first place, I just wanted a vehicle to write about the metaverse that I love so much. But I can understand why I’m low on the list: I’m not on feeds to my knowledge (I seem to have dropped off them, tried to get back on them and got nowhere so left it at that), and I don’t have the virtue of being able to afford Photoshop so I use Picmonkey to process my photographs. But my lack of numerous ties and obligations means that I can take my time and ENJOY blogging, and this is the most fundamental point of all. If it reaches a point where blogging is your obligation and you get no joy, but just feel pressure, then why are you doing it?
    I could see how for some people it can be incredibly stressful to manage a successful blog. Personally I have one rule, which is real life comes first. I have Bipolar Disorder in real life and am just coming out of a major depressive episode, when that happens all the colour and joy leaves my life and blogging is the least of my concerns. I’m much better now so I’m getting back into the swing of things but even now I have to be careful because, believe it or not, blogging has tipped me into mania before! You have to find your balance and be true to yourself. If someone that you blog for can’t understand that you have to ask yourself, is getting review copies that important to you that your real life is taking a hit?
    A final thought, it never ceases to amaze me how people act in Second Life. The shielding that an avatar provides means that some people can act in a fashion that is completely unacceptable in the real world. This applies to both creators AND bloggers actually, and it needs to stop. NOBODY needs to treat someone with disrespect, treat people how you widsh to be treated and that is with kindness and above all else gratitude. If you want to act like a Diva and be cruel then you’ll find areas in the adult sims that can meet those needs. Ultimately it’s just a blog and a post written about something that is only important to a few people that inhabit a virtual world, you cannot even touch that thing physically, you cannot sense it or experience it, so get some perspective!
    Be a blogger because you want to be and because you enjoy it, NOT because it’s the latest thing to try. It is HARD work but if you do it for the right reasons it will bring you a lot of fun and friendship, which is worth so much more than an ever-increasing inventory.

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    • “Be a blogger because you want to be and because you enjoy it, NOT because it’s the latest thing to try. It is HARD work but if you do it for the right reasons it will bring you a lot of fun and friendship, which is worth so much more than an ever-increasing inventory.”

      Kitty hit the nail right on the head!

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    • Thanks so much for your reply Kitty! I found it really interesting to read and you make a lot of great points! I agree with a lot of what you said, especially if your blogging is affecting your mental health to take a step back. In saying that I’d also like to point out that in my case, I started joining to bloggers groups because stores were advertising and I thought well, why not, I’m buying this stuff anyway, might as well see if I can’t get review copies, this by no means means that I’ll give an item a good review just because I get it, I don’t blog everything I get given, I spend a few hours a day going through items, trying them on and making up an outfit with stuff I like so I’ll actually be able to give my sponsor a good review. I’ll also give an honest review though if I like something but it has flaws, I’ll mention the flaws in my post. I think there are bloggers out there who start out actually wanting to give an honest opinion, and not just doing it because it’s the latest trend. I also think it’s a shame if you’re only blogging because you don’t have the cash to shop, while this probably happens a lot, I really hope that it doesn’t as those blogs would be really boring to look at, there’s no inspiration when you’re only blogging to get free stuff, blog because you genuinely like the items you’re receiving, it gives more inspiration to a picture I think! Even my plain background pictures have had hours go into putting an outfit together that I genuinely like.

      I think that most designers realize that blogs are an advertising tool and that they matter, but the problem when something becomes popular to do, is the market is flooded with that thing and then some people take advantage of that. Because blogging has become a popular thing for people to do in second life, there’s a lot of bloggers and designers sometimes think they can take advantage of this by setting rules that are unrealistic. This is where things get sticky because a lot of the places that are like this, can be the more popular ones, this is where a lot of the time there is blogger management and the way that the management treat you may not represent the designer. It’s a rather complex topic if you ask me, one that goes into more fundamental business and marketing and how whether or not designers and management should be treating their stores and bloggers as a legitimate rl business. The problem with anyone being able to run a business, is that not everyone is qualified to run a business, not everyone realizes the ethics that go into it and see it as a real life business that should be treated in the same way as a business in real life should be, because there’s no unions and other laws surrounding businesses in second life, there’s no way of moderating the way bloggers are treated and the way designers are treated. In real life, if you treated an employee this way, in Australia at least, an employer can go to what we call Fair Work Australia here and make a complaint, there are laws and legislations in place to protect your employees and employers. On Second Life there’s really only morals. (Please excuse me if I’m rambling, it’s saturday night and I’m “relaxing” lol)

      As far as obligation goes, it’s true, if you’re not having fun don’t do it, but I think I find the obligations, the little bit of stress and pressure to be a driving force for me to blog in a way, it’s a real love/hate relationship haha I think it’s the marketer in me that loves it, I really do use this as a platform to practice marketing strategies, I analyze the whole process and look at the overall designer/blogger relationship in a study kind of way, I really am hoping to write a paper on it for class this semester, if the opportunity arises I’ll be doing just that as it really is an awesome look into the way marketing and business works.

      I personally haven’t heard the other side of things, on how bloggers disrespect designers. I hope that none of my post has come across as disrespectful in any way towards designers. I have a lot of respect for designers in second life, they are the driving force behind keeping second life in business, without their creations there is no second life, this doesn’t mean that they’re elite over the rest of us either however. I know that the people who I have as sponsors have been nothing but nice to me, they’re really genuine people who respect and are grateful to have bloggers and love what we as bloggers do. I honestly think most designers are probably really awesome people.

      As far as perspective goes, yes it’s virtual, but I have to disagree with your general point. For a lot of people Second life is their only means of being able to have a job, it’s their only means of being able to socialize, this makes it much more than just a virtual landscape and it not being “real” I think that for these people second life is very much a part of their real lives, it affects them on a level that anything they would be able to physically touch would. So I think perspective is something that is an entire philosophical debate in itself.

      Thanks again for your reply, it’s taken me a while to reply because I keep thinking I’m getting off point in my reply haha but I think this is what’s great about having these discussions as well 🙂

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      • Great reply Leese. Actually with reference to your point about the importance of SL to people, I think I’ve kind of down-played it in my reply which in hindsight wasn’t my intention! I’d consider myself addicted! I mean, I’ve been up since 0900, and I’ve been logged in world dealing with notecards, IMs and generally meandering about and..OMG it is 1500 now! GAHHH! Second Life for me has always been there when real life has been getting me down and so many of my most trusted friends I’ve met through this world. My RL bookshelves are filled with Second Life books, I’ve been on Radio 4 in the UK (on ‘Woman’s Hour’) talking about Second Life..yeah, it’s as important to me as my real one. But my point about perspective is that sometimes you have to make yourself walk away..which after being sat here since 0900 I’m going to do right now so I don’t get DVT in my broken ankle! (We should totally get together in-world and have a natter about this, in fact, we need an SL Bloggers meeting/union/convention! OMG THAT COULD SO BE A THING!! )

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      • I’d be happy to meet in world 🙂 I’m usually just standing around my skybox unpacking items, or on a platform unpacking items haha. That’s awesome that you’ve been on radio talking about SL! I find the whole topic fascinating. The psychology behind why people find sl so addictive is something that I’ve discussed many times with friends on sl and in rl.

        I do agree with you that sometimes you have to walk away, sometimes you have to drag yourself kicking away! I’ve done it myself in the past, took a break for two years. Now I’m back to being addicted as ever haha

        As far as a sl bloggers meeting/convention/union… that would be totally awesome!

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      • When I read this “I think that most designers realize that blogs are an advertising tool and that they matter, but the problem when something becomes popular to do, is the market is flooded with that thing and then some people take advantage of that. Because blogging has become a popular thing for people to do in second life, there’s a lot of bloggers and designers sometimes think they can take advantage of this by setting rules that are unrealistic.” I said to myself: this girl have read my mind. I feel you. I feel the same way about some stores. When blogging stops to be fun and becomes an obligation it causes an impact on creativity. Sometimes I get stuck on it. I feel I can’t do it and what I’m doing is not good enough. For me blogging is also about love and creativity. Ps: About a blogger’s meeting. I’m totally in it. Feel free to send me an invite.

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  6. (An Afterthought: When people tell you that blogs don’t matter, poppycock! I spent about SIX HOURS on Thursday afternoon trolling through the blogs and making shopping lists. They make such a difference, hence all the hoohah in the first place!)

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  7. Read your post.

    When you said that the kind of photos taken by bloggers is different from the ads of the store owner, I could not agree with you more. Seeing the clothing/items “styled” or “shown in context” has been much more influential in my response to purchasing them than just seeing the items in a store lineup sans context. Many times, I have sought out an item because the blogger paired it with a different blouse or how the hair looked with an outfit…etc. The blogger gives the items ambiance and personality that it frequently lacks otherwise, particularly in a static “lineup” at the store.

    I salute you for your post. I was a merchant in the past (going on ten years of second life now). What you say is absolutely right. Hang in there. You are doing a great job.

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  8. Hello Leesee! You hit the nail on the head with this posting! A few years ago, I had one designer “scold me” for blogging one of her skins. She hated the hair I used, said it looked fake and then gave me the photo that she used to advertise the skin, which was the photo she took. Stupidly, I removed the photo I took and replaced it with hers on my blog and then later I thought – this is MY blog, How dare she ask me to use her photo!! I didn’t blog for her after that. I totally understand the designer wants to showcase their products, but they need to be a little lenient on bloggers as normally, bloggers blog for several designers and it takes a LOT of time and effort to get the styling right, take and edit the photos and then blog the product. I blog for some designers that are truly grateful that you are blogging their products, if you do, fine, if you don’t fine. I personally think that being a blogger and designer are equal and both need to respect each other’s work. I wouldn’t design clothes as I think that it too tedious, and I have been told by a designer or two they they wouldn’t blog as it is too hard. So we need to work together to get the end result out there!!

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    • See that right there is just wrong. They’re lucky they didn’t come to me haha I would have told them that I would take the blog post down and not blog a single item of theirs in the future. It your blog, it’s your creative styling. If they want to blog their outfit their way, they’re quite welcome to startup their own blog and do it themselves haha no one is stopping them! Good for you that you didn’t stand for it, no one should bully you into doing things their way!

      I have a fair few sponsors now and it takes me a few days (I procrastinate way too much >.<) to get a feel for an outfit and add little details from sponsors on it to really bring it to life so to speak. Each outfit for me is kind of like a story. Sometimes I'll make a character up in my head and try to make an outfit to go with the theme, or sometimes it's based on how I'm feeling. Every outfit is a personal creative outlet for me. When you've got to do two or three posts a month for almost 30 stores and then a few events it certainly becomes more of a job than a hobby. I think that's what designers have to realize, that for bloggers with numerous sponsors it's a job, it goes from being a hobby to something that you spend your entire sl time doing. As a blogger you have to decide if that's what you want or not. If you want to keep it a hobby, then don't apply for many stores as it swallows you whole so to speak!

      I agree with it being equal and deserving equal respect. Without designers, we wouldn't have anything to do, without bloggers, a lot of designers wouldn't make many sales at all. It's the way the world works 😀

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  9. Thank you for being brave enough to lay it out there. Blogging is hard no matter what size you are in SL. I’m glad the sponsors I have are very easy to work with right now. But I do get really tired of seeing bloggers wanted : 500+ flickr views, 3 feeds, etc.

    Really, those qualifications to me are silly. Just because I might have a photo with that many views doesn’t make it any better than another photo with 30 views. It becomes quite tiring trying to get it posted in 40 +flickr groups to get views.

    I’m a toddleedoo in SL and we get even more harassing especially on a FB post for our blog. Some people lay into TD in general when we blog simply because we RP a child. And the comments can get nasty with a lot of name calling.

    As for time and effort one blog takes to publish. We all know its hours NOT minutes. Plus don’t forget if by some chance you have a typo or the wrong color listed on something please just let me know not go into a rant on that’s not a correctly done blog. I’m human behind this av I make mistakes.

    When I have on a nail applier I typically forget to mention the color. I just see it as part of the picture. If I remember I try and mention. The details are massive when you build a scene never mind capturing it so everything looks stunning.

    I’m stepping off my very tall rant box.
    Thank so much for this post.

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    • I completely agree, the flickr views is a silly requirement. When I first started looking at getting more sponsors, I wasn’t getting the amount of flickr views I have now. I literally started following 4 thousand people to get my views up to over 1k for most pics. That’s hours of following sl people on flickr to get exposure, then there’s adding to groups as well (I’m still yet to work out which works more, adding to groups or following people, one day, I’ll work it all out then I’ll do a post on what actually works haha)

      Don’t get me started on typo’s! the amount of times I’ve had to go in and edit posts two or three times because I’ll find mistakes after the fact is ridiculous! I’m lucky that I’ve never had anyone rant at me yet! If they do, they’ll learn that Australians are blunt by nature and will stick up for themselves LOL

      I don’t mention colours on nail appliers or on makeup in general either, I also see it as part of the picture. I guess I’m trying to make the avatar as realistic as possible so the finer touches aren’t going to have a huge write up, but they’ll still be credited at the end of the post, which was my point in this, as long as you can see the item is on my avatar, and as long as it’s linked in the credits, then it should be enough. There have been times where I’ve been blogging for an event and there’s been a nail applier in it where I’ve done a close up of the hand to show the applier more clearly but I’ve stuck with a theme and it’s been something that I’ve made in to an art piece in itself, or tried to. Generally though, I don’t blog nail appliers as I forget I’m wearing them or what they are as I can’t go to worn items and find them easy.

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      • I’d just like to clarify on this reply a little more. When I wrote this it was almost midnight my time and I was starting to get sleepy so didn’t elaborate on the silly requirement comment. I agree that it can be a silly requirement in some circumstances, as another comment mentions below, there are reasonable flicker view requirements. 300+ flickr views to me is reasonable. As I stated in the reply above, I followed 4 thousand people on flickr, I spammed the hell out of following people, it’s easy to do so 300 + views once you know how to follow people, is easy to get. I do agree that not all pictures will have the same views though and that doesn’t make one picture better just because it has more views. It’s a tricky line.

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    • No, you’re not overreacting at all, if you honestly think that it’s unfair, be picky, stop blogging for that designer, there’s always other designers to blog for. I personally like blogging for some smaller stores, they make some great items that don’t get blogged a lot, and the designers are really nice people!

      Don’t be afraid to stick up for yourself and just enjoy what you do, if something seems unfair to you and puts too much pressure on then don’t do it 🙂

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      • You’re right, I do blog for a lot of smaller stores and they’re so grateful it makes it worth it however I do think some bigger designers don’t realise that one post can take up a whole day. I mean, I love doing it I do but sometimes I get myself in a mess and end up taking like 80 pics and second guess myself. I would like to think this is normal lol and by reading your post and comments I realise it is!

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      • It’s definitely normal! I don’t quite take as many pictures but I take the same amount of time going through windlight settings, getting the right angle, the right pose etc. Sometimes that process is longer than making the outfit or doing the post itself!

        I think in the end all of us love it, that’s why we continue to do it but just because we love doing something doesn’t mean we can’t get frustrated at times or have complaints. It’s a normal human thing. I don’t know one single person in a rl job that doesn’t have a complaint about their job whether or not they like it. 🙂

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      • Totally! Doing all the tping around, messing with windlight settings ect is a very long process. I suppose it means we are doing all we can to show the outfit, set ect versatility because we don’t all have the same style as you mentioned in your post. Yes, we’re human after all! And there is nothing like a good rant to clear the mind. 😊

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  10. I’m blogging since 6 years, and at the beginning i spend a lot of money. I was the only one blogger on my community, so i took a long time to figure out that the “sponsors” existed lol, i’m also not english, and it doesn’t help much. Anyway, now i have cool sponsors, i’m maybe lucky because i’m still free to do what i want. But if they are not ok, it’s their problem ^^ if i have to apply to a new blogger list, i mention everytime my condition : i’m slow, i don’t care of feeds, and voila. If they are agree with that it’s perfect, they have to like my blog before to send stuff.

    It’s my way to think, and it works for me with my long experience.

    Stay who you are and continue your works. And don’t give up !

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  11. I am pretty much in there with Kitty — whose name I actually recognize although I don’t read blogs any longer (what can I say — busy!).

    I am coming up on 4000 blog posts soon. That is JUST on my fashion and design blog and I have others so, like Kitty, I have been a SL blogger from a time when things were very very different and when there were very few bloggers.

    Over the years I have found — or they have found me — some wonderful brands to feature. I have no issues with any of these designers and never have had.

    Well, opps that is not quite true. A few years ago I was blogging Pose Fair and one of the dance animation places was not happy that I MADE MY OWN VIDEO of their dance animations and featured it on my blog. Laughing here as this is kind of like what this post is talking about. Funny. Anyway, I crossed THEM off my “blog again in the future” designers and had a hell of a time getting off their spam mailing list.

    The folks that I think of as “my designers” are great folks. We don’t know each other well for the most part. A few I chat with from time to time; most of course are VERY busy. A couple I have sent info on DMCA things they needed to file; they were grateful. We do seem to have a mutual respect for one another and that is good.

    Most of the folks that I blog for (I don’t consider them sponsors as I never put ads on my blog – no store logos – not even links to their blogs or stores in the sidebar only a list) have been with me for a long while. A few have sent me things for awhile, commented appreciatively on my posts and then faded away into the sunset. I assume that they like to change their bloggers regularly so that different folks will see their wares and that is certainly their choice.

    I HAVE had issues when individual designers have gone to blogger managers. That cattle car mentality sets in. What one person does reflects on the others and I do not appreciate being yelled out in mass for something someone else has done. And sometimes — especially when they go to the blogger manager model — rules change to include things that I will not do (like linked icons of their brand on my home page — EVERY item blogged etc.). So, in those cases I have written a nice note to the designers telling them how much I have enjoyed blogging for them but this would not work for me. We DO need to be true to ourselves first.

    I may or may not make it to post 5,000. Some RL friends of course have no doubts. I love taking photos and I like my self proclaimed job of helping the designers show off their stuff. Without them we would NOT look very pretty and our houses would not be as real as they are. So yes, I will probably keep snapping photos for a long while.

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    • I have experienced that with both blogger managers and event coordinators recently – it’s almost like they forget that bloggers are individuals with feelings. I will write something on this soon because it disturbed me a great deal. I think with all the pressure to create for so many events as of late the frustration is trickling down to bloggers.

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      • I can’t wait to read what you write! I agree sometimes it does seem like people forget that bloggers are people not just another number!

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  12. Sooooo totally agree with this post especially when it comes that if you don’t photoshop your picture you cant be bloggers, i don’t own photoshop, didn’t find the need to alter the picture fully from what you will buy in world. the flickr views gets even worse when they actually asking for flickr faves to be above a minimal quantity for each picture, see how that works and feeds, i must admit i don’t really look at feeds when searching for products, not even wordpress own reader, its a pain to go through all the post that are showing up in secs. At a point i got so overwhelmed and felt my second life became a second job for me the hermit on second life lol, i had to clean out all and took a long and well deserved vacation. now i came back im being extremely picky and seen a lot of changes and expectations that leaves me speechless but oh well to each their own.

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  13. I was a store owner (Embody and now Repose) before I was a blogger, so I always feel like my perspective on this is a bit… skewed or weird (of course, I frequently feel like my perspectives are skewed or weird, but that’s another story). I give our store bloggers a ton of leniency. I do this for multiple reasons.

    My one hard and fast rule? CREDIT POSES. That’s pretty much it. Also, if they modify poses, I’d like them to say that so shoppers aren’t expecting exactly what they see in the bloggers’ pics.

    I understand that not every pose is going to suit every blogger. Not every blogger has someone easily accessible to shoot a couple pose or friend pose with, and don’t even get me started on group poses. I know how hard those are to shoot as ads… so certainly for bloggers, it’s a challenge.

    I think that there are bloggers with unrealistic expectations, who unfortunately just want free stuff or aren’t honest about their intentions. And I think there are designers with unrealistic expectations, too. Sometimes ridiculously unrealistic, and then there are complaints about bloggers not living up to said expectations. Which brings me to another reason I’m so flexible with our store bloggers…

    Life happens. Real life.

    One of the issues, particularly with bigger designers/brands, is that for them SL income = RL income. I understand that, I appreciate that, I don’t envy that at all because that puts a LOT of stress on them to make sure they’re getting as much exposure as possible. And like it or not, especially at this point, bloggers are an integral part of said exposure. Sure, once very well established you might not NEED bloggers, or maybe need only very few, but especially while building that brand, and with how much competition is out there, it’s definitely something that is going to help. Since, as you so articulate so well, bloggers don’t get PAID to blog, it’s not an income for us at all. Most it does is spare us spending money, and truth be told, I – like so many bloggers I know – spend WAY more now that I blog than I ever did before I began. So yes, I get free things, but I also don’t really see them as free. I’m expected to blog them, or at least expected to blog SOME of them, and I take that responsibility seriously. I work hard on what I blog. I spend a lot of time getting outfits right, creating scenes or finding sims that suit the look I’m blogging, and I love doing it… almost all of the time.

    But I have multiple chronic illnesses. I have a husband. I have a dog. I have obligations outside of SL. I have a RL that, sometimes, takes over. This is just the reality of things, and I’m certainly not the only blogger in SL for whom this is the case. I’m also not a “fast” blogger… some people can set up intricate scenes, take incredible pics and turn around multiple blog posts a day! I’m awed by that, but it’s not me. It’s never been me, it never will be me. Though I try to blog a few times a week, on average, there are absolutely weeks when it’s just not possible for me. And so one thing I don’t do is apply when designers require a weekly post. I know that’s something I’m likely to fail at, so I avoid it. Three times a month? Sure. I can handle that. Every week? Not so much. Every release? Well, I don’t blog what doesn’t suit me, so no. I won’t commit to that, either. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of whether or not I like the item… I can like things that aren’t my style, that just feel “off,” and nothing is worse than a forced blog picture. Well, okay plenty of things are worse than that, but you get what I’m saying (I hope!).

    And that’s where my unique perspective comes into play, too. I don’t want our bloggers to take pics with things they don’t like or that doesn’t suit their individual styles. I want them to be inspired. I don’t feel like our product is going to be best represented by bloggers who aren’t “feeling” the item. And I think this is something not all designers consider… because if you don’t blog, you don’t “get” that part of the equation. I want to see the passion in the pics taken with our poses. I think uninspired blog posts are worse than no blog posts. But that’s just me, and I understand some people value quantity over quality. That’s a legitimate position, just not one I share. I’d rather be underexposed than get second rate exposure, and when you force (or try, because really forcing people to blog is like herding cats anyway) bloggers to blog EVERY release, you’re going to get some uninspired pics and uninspired posts.

    At the end of the day, it’s about finding the right fit in events/designers you blog for, and designers need to consider the right fit, too. In some ways, I think it was easy back before there were tons of blogger apps, when designers saw pics they liked and asked people, hey do you wanna get my shit? I think that probably resulted in happier designers and bloggers alike.

    All of this said, I credit just about everything I blog, even the freakin’ grass textures I use on my platform, if the post is home & garden focused (and I frequently combine that with fashion blogging). If you can see a nail applier on my hands, even if all you see is the color, I credit it. I’d want to be credited as a store owner, so I extend that same courtesy. I can understand if you’re a “formal” blogger for a certain designer why they might say, “hey, in the future I’d appreciate it if you showed a pic that provided more detail,” but to IM a blogger who isn’t even an official blogger for your store and ask that? That’s ridiculous and absurd. It’s still exposure, it still gets your brand name out there. It blows my mind that someone did that, and I personally would never shop at or blog a store that did that to me again. So it’s also a great way to alienate a customer, because if a person isn’t your official blogger and they like your work, there’s a great chance they’ll come to your store to shop in the future, even IF that one item blogged was a review copy sent out for an event the blogger is in.

    I give you a ton of credit for going out on a limb and writing this… I think you’ve articulated what a lot of bloggers feel, and I do think you make valid points. I’m not sure we’ll ever get those designers who are inclined to have unrealistic expectations to bend, or at least not most of them, but that’s okay. They’re allowed to have their requirements. I kind of feel badly for their blog managers, though, because the more unrealistic the expectations, the more bloggers you’re going to have who don’t meet the requirements. And that has GOT to be frustrating, for both designers and managers alike.

    In the meantime, I will continue to blog for designers/events with realistic expectations. I won’t be perfect, because I’m human, but I will work my hardest to make sure I don’t disappoint those I do choose to blog for… because I really, truly do value their work, and I know as a store owner the labor of love that is SL commerce. Just as I know, as a blogger, the labor of love that is SL blogging!

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    • Thanks so much for your post! Just like Micah’s post, I really appreciate your post particularly because it’s coming from the other side of the fence. Yours as a blogger as well is a view that most of us don’t have as you’re on both sides and that’s a unique position to be in and one that I think would make you a terrific store owner as you understand the blogging side of things more than many store owners would.

      I’m also really glad that nothing I have put up in my post has come across as negative. It’s a huge relief to see store owners that have taken my post for what it is, a vent.

      I also like to credit as many things as I can. I sometimes forget things, but I’m human, it happens.

      I would love for everyone to be able to catch up in world and have sort of a panel, of bloggers and designers just to debate and discuss the expectations, to air out what seems unfair, the reasoning behind it all and to sort of “break down the wall” so to speak. I’m afraid after spending so much time in second life that I’m a little jaded and think it would probably turn into a troll fest haha but the dream is there!

      Sorry if this has turned into a rant, it’s late for me and there’s more that I wanted to reply to your comment but my brain isn’t working right, I shall come back after some sleep and go over this again. But thanks again for your post!

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  14. Hey there!
    This was a really interesting read. I enjoyed many of your points. As a blogger I can relate to many of the things you mentioned, and as a blogger manager, I hope to try and clear up a few things for you. First I’d like to say that I do personally believe Feeds are on their way out. With social media being so popular in SL now, most feeds have shut down, as their traffic is dismal. I personally do not require feeds for any of the groups I manage, as I don’t really see much of a benefit to them. I am in around 6 feeds myself, and I rarely see hits from them. I believe as time progresses, things like social media will become the new requirement over feeds, so this is good.

    As for Flickr, I see people comment on this subject quite often. Personally, I am probably one of the offenders people hate, as I ask for 300+ views in my blogger applications. (I manage the Little Bones and Moon Hair blogger groups). I’d like to explain to you why I think this is an important requirement. Flickr (in my opinion) is one of the most helpful tools for advertising your blog. It is also one of the easiest ways to follow other bloggers, designers, photographers, and sl residents who enjoy posting random photos. It doesn’t come with the same ties facebook does, or the feeling you may need to “know” someone to be their friend. Whenever I have bloggers ask me about this requirement, or complain about it, I always tell them how easy it is to get exposure on Flickr. Literally all you need to do is add everyone. There are thousands upon thousands of SL residents on Flickr. Probably tens of thousands. Nobody is going to question you if you add them, it is just a different environment than Facebook. I always tell bloggers to just add tons of people, and they will most likely follow you back, and to get involved in checking out other people’s work. I browse Flickr throughout the day, 10 mins here, 15 mins there, so on and so forth, and I fave pics and comment on them. This helps to create relationships and also gives you exposure. BUT this is not why I personally choose to have a views requirement, it is just what I recommend to those who don’t think they can achieve it (when I know everyone can!).

    You mentioned in a comment that the market for bloggers is flooded right now. This is the absolute truth! Everyone is a blogger these days, and having a requirement for views helps me to personally weed out those who A: May not be ready B: Might only be in it for free things C: May not have the viewer amount we would like yet. Now, if you don’t have 300+ views, and you apply anyway, and I look at your Flickr and love your work, chances are I am going to give you a shot anyway. BUT the amount of applications I receive on a daily basis from people who have only been blogging a few weeks, or don’t have any viewers, or honestly, don’t have great photos is huge. This is merely a way for blogger managers to try and keep the amount of searching they have to do minimal. Even with those requirements, I still receive 600+ applications every time I open a blogger group. This takes me weeks to organize, and to be completely honest, 80% of the apps are from bloggers who haven’t been blogging very long or are not up to date on current fashion or photo trends. The flip side to this argument, and one you may want to take into consideration is this: Managers/Designers could simply not tell you they are looking for this sort of achievement, and just continue about their business. But the idea behind it is to give bloggers something to strive for. I am asked all the time “Why didn’t I get in?” “What can I do to improve?”. This is merely a large scale response to that sort of question. If I can look at your Flickr, and see that you clearly have a following and a viewer base, I am going to be more likely to choose you, because I as a manger, I want the brand to have as much exposure as possible. (But again, if I look at your Flickr and you are off the mark for views, but your pics are gorgeous, I will most likely still consider you.)

    If I had read this two years ago, before I managed any blog groups, I most likely would have 100% agreed with it all. But now that I have been on both sides of the fence, I can see the need for strict requirements when it comes to bloggers. There are just too many of them, and a shocking amount of them are not blogging for the right reasons. These kinds of requirements are merely a way to weed out those who are not committed from those who are committed. Granted, I know there are many who are committed who may not fall into the requirements, but that is why it is important to take the chance and apply anyway, and also to keep pushing ourselves to grow and achieve more.

    It is unfortunate that there are so many out there who want to take advantage of blogger groups, it does ruin the fun for well meaning and dedicated bloggers. You would not believe some of the messages I get. I have been lied to, yelled at, attempted to be tricked for invites, etc. I have had bloggers lie to me to tell me they were “accepted” and missed invites, I have had bloggers try to convince me they are alts of other “famous” bloggers or tell me their friends are their alts to get them invites. I have had them berate me and yell at me for not accepting them into the group, or lie to the designers I work for and tell they they missed invites or lie and say I said something rude to them for sympathy, etc etc etc. And I know many other mangers/designers get these things too, so sadly, we have gotten a bit of a thick skin, and have to be picky sometimes. The abuse comes from all ends of the spectrum.

    Anyway, LONG RESPONSE SORRY! I hope maybe you and whoever else reads this, may understand a few things better now, and hopefully you do not resent my response, or resent the community in general. I really agree with a lot of the things you have said, I just wanted to explain a few things I think are misunderstood. Thanks!

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    • Thank you so much for your response! I actually really appreciate you responding. I went in to this post just a little annoyed and asking a question, it was rhetorical at the time but the fact that it’s getting responses from both sides of the “argument” is awesome!

      I’m appalled at the abuse you’ve received and I guess it goes to what other people have said, that both sides need to respect each other. It really is a shame that people try to take advantage of the system, but I guess that’s how it happens anywhere, people will take advantage of any system.

      I think 300+ flickr feeds is very reasonable just to put my two cents in on that. I’ve seen some requests for over 1k views per pic, which I know is doable, but also a little unreasonable and really thins the line down to a select few.

      I think maybe the solution to this is to have a flat standard for all designers when it comes to bloggers, have set rules that bloggers have to follow for everyone that they apply for, this way designers can’t take advantage, and neither can bloggers (apart from ones that lie of course). That of course is a pipe dream because it’s second life and things like that take a lot of organization.

      I’m really glad that I posted this post now and that it hasn’t turned into some huge argument. I think rational discussion goes a long way and that if both sides can sit down and discuss things on an intellectual level more gets understood and put across and maybe some of the newer bloggers can understand a bit better the requirements that are out there.

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      • Hey, thanks for your response! I’m really enjoying reading all of the comments here and taking part in the discussion.

        1,000 views on Flickr is pretty crazy. That would really only work for the top maybe 3% of bloggers. One thing that I left out of my comment was that another reason I use 300 views as a rule is because it shows me that the person applying knows how to actively use Flickr. Anybody can make an account and throw their photos up, but as a blogger, we do need to be doing more in order to have our photos seen. Even the biggest names in blogging (think maybe Strawberry Singh) add their new photos to groups and follow a lot of people. I personally want to see that the applicant is active on the site and takes part in the environment. Because I hold Flickr in such high regard as a tool for people to see your work, it is important that I know that you know how to use it and use it well. Whether that means getting 200 views or thousands of them. The number doesn’t really mean all that much as much as me being able to see that you actively use the site does. I hope that makes sense.

        Anywho, I think a flat standard would be awesome, but it would never happen. Designers are all picky in their own way. Some only want 10 of the best, some designers like taking shots on new bloggers, etc. There is no way all designers would have some sort of “Blogging Summit” to commit to certain rules, lol. That would be funny to see though! I wish too that the requirements were more consistent across the board. Oh well. This is why I keep my applications short and sweet. Give me your name, your blog, your flickr and tell me what social media your on. That’s it. I can see the rest for myself.

        Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. It is good to get the community talking about these kinds of things ❤

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      • I find it interesting that 1000 views seems out of reach for a lot of people, I definitely think that 1000 views shouldn’t be a requirement, but I consistently get 1000 views or over now on flickr. What I find interesting about that though is that this still doesn’t equal clicks to my blog, this is why as a marketing student and in particular a market research student, I am finding experimenting with the different social networks so interesting. I can easily add my pictures to 300+ groups, follow 4000 people, get 1000 views or over but still not get that many clicks to my blog, what I’m trying to work out is how to get those clicks and why the clicks don’t happen once I find that out I’ll share it with the blogging community and do a happy dance!

        The flat standard won’t happen but it’s a wonderful dream haha You’re definitely one of the good ones keeping it short and sweet! I think the few that have the ridiculous requirements leave enough of a sour taste that it gives the good ones a bad name too.

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  15. Interesting post! I agree with a lot you say. As a blogger, we are the Marketing tool for the designer. If we wear an item but you can’t see it clearly on a blog picture, then you’re not selling the item either. For that the designer gives us an item for free, to market it for them.

    When it comes to designers that are looking for Photoshop talents? Maybe they need to distinguish if they are looking for a digital artist to shoot their items instead of a blogger. Could it be that designers are expecting us to do all the extra work like spamming groups, flickr, facebook, twitter etc, because their work is so very time consuming as well?

    It was a pleasure reading!

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    • Oh, that’s a really good distinction. I do post-processing but I don’t do a LOT and there are definitely a bunch of insanely talented SL photographers/bloggers who would qualify as a “digital artist,” as you said. I’m definitely NOT that, and it’s also not really what I look for – as amazing as it is and as awed by the talent as I am – when I’m looking at blogs for ideas of what I want to buy.

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    • Thanks for your reply! I’d like to touch on a few things you’ve written here.

      ” If we wear an item but you can’t see it clearly on a blog picture, then you’re not selling the item either. For that the designer gives us an item for free, to market it for them.”

      The distinction here I think is if we’re under obligations as an “official blogger” or not. If an item I have on is from a sponsor, which is someone I’m in a official blogger group for, then I will most definitely try and get a clear shot of that item so it can market that item better, but in saying that, I’m also selling an overall picture, I see each outfit as showing the functionality of the items I’m wearing, I see it as an art piece of sorts.

      In the end I think there’s a difference between blog styles. There are plenty of blog posts that are like my early blog posts, a picture or four of items that I’m wearing, then links to those items. That is how I started and I guess that is a direct marketing blog, you’re doing a post to show items for stores and market them to your viewers by linking to the items down the bottom. Then there’s the blogging style that mine is slowly evolving into, which is an actual review blog. I started off just linking to pictures and nothing else, but I got bored of that. Yes, it’s still time consuming doing just links, but I like talking about the things I’m wearing and what I like about these designers and items. I’m still getting my feet with this style but that’s what I want to strive towards as I think this style has more substance. That’s not to say the other style is the wrong way to do things, I just think there’s different ways of blogging.

      Lets use my previous post on the Banned Dea Body for instance, I was reviewing that body, now I’m wearing other items in this post, you can see them, but I’m not focusing on them, I’m focusing on the body that I’m wearing. If you can’t see everything clearly, does that mean I don’t link the stores still, ones that are in events I blog for or other sponsors or even stores that I have gone to and paid for items myself because it’s not marketing that item directly? Am I not still marketing that item by wearing it in a post? That sort of marketing is called cross marketing, where I’m marketing one product by featuring it, but also marketing others by wearing them with the item I’m featuring. There are different sorts of marketing than just direct marketing. I think this is where people get confused as well as not many people know the different forms of marketing and just focus on the more common forms such as direct marketing. This again isn’t right or wrong, I think there should just be more awareness that there are different forms and more of a distinction as to what designers are looking for maybe. And then in the case of the nail applier I refer to I mentioned how the colour went with the outfit I was wearing, I wasn’t an official blogger for the designer of the nail applier they just sent a review copy to a group where I’m required to blog four items a month from many items that are sent to that group. By mentioning that item yes I’m filling a requirement for the group, but there are many items that I can mention, I’m under no obligation to mention the nail applier at all, by mentioning I’m wearing an applier, which you can clearly see that I am, and mentioning how that colour goes with my dress, which it did, I am cross marketing that designer. This is where my frustration came from in that instance, I wasn’t obligated so when it came to detail I thought I was doing a good deed by mentioning I was even wearing it.

      “When it comes to designers that are looking for Photoshop talents? Maybe they need to distinguish if they are looking for a digital artist to shoot their items instead of a blogger”

      This I think is very true indeed. There is a difference between a digital artist and a blogger. When I first started I was proud of the fact that I stuck to unedited snapshots, I was told by one popular store that my pictures weren’t good enough because I didn’t use photoshop, after a while I started using photoshop, not as a way to cover up any faults (apart from seam lines around mouths etc that show up under certain windlights) but to enhance the picture using various plugins and actions that I’ve had sitting on my computer forever that bring out details etc in rl photo’s but I’ve never used for sl pics.

      “Could it be that designers are expecting us to do all the extra work like spamming groups, flickr, facebook, twitter etc, because their work is so very time consuming as well?”

      I agree 100% that designers work is very time consuming, what they do is awesome, I don’t have the patience to teach myself how to make mesh to do a store, I am in awe of what they do and some people are so talented it blows my mind! In saying that though, expecting bloggers to spam groups and other social networks is something that can be debated. I think it depends on minimum requirements which is the point I was trying to make. Having 300+ flickr views for instance is a fair requirement, if you put the time in to read up how to get those views, it’s easy to do and it’s not unfair at all, but putting pictures in 300+ groups on flickr, having a facebook page, twitter account, plurk account, tumblr account, google plus account, that at the moment isn’t a requirement at all by designers, this is voluntary time that I put in because I take my blogging seriously as a marketing platform. The feeds and flickr views are a main requirement that I come across a lot. The feeds one as I mentioned I don’t see the point of, the flickr one I do see as a fair requirement as long as the view limit is fair, having a requirement of over 1000 views per picture I believe is a bit of an unfair requirement same with having let’s say for the sake of argument over 50 favs per picture (I haven’t seen this one just using it as an example). In saying that Flickr is a great platform to get views to your blog.

      Facebook is another one I agree with, if you’re serious about your blogging then get a facebook page, the spam groups however, I don’t see any point in, I have tried both, I have spammed to 50+ facebook groups, it did nothing to get views on my facebook page or on my blog. What has worked though is adding random second life people to my second life facebook and inviting them to view my page, that has gotten my facebook page likes, but then it goes into how many people click on the posts to come to my blog on my facebook page. Having these discussions has made me want to write up a post about it all, I think that’s going to be my next post! What I was trying to say in my post, isn’t that there shouldn’t be requirements, by all means with so many bloggers out there there has to be some requirements to be able to handle the sheer amount of blogging applications stores get. What I was trying to say is that there’s a difference between fair and unfair requirements and I was asking the question, what is fair and unfair and where do you draw the line? At the time it was late and maybe I didn’t articulate it as best I could.

      Sorry for the long reply!

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  16. I need to apologise in advance for my english, I hope I will be able to express my feelings.
    First of all, I wanted to thank you for the great statement, for being able to speak most of ours thoughts. I felt invited to say something as a blogger, or let’s say – as a sparkly unicorn who ended up here. To get my background, I do Photoshop my photos, I do have enough Flickr views and I blog because it is my passion and only way to keep my mind’s sanity when I come home.
    And I am saying that only to try to get to the point.

    I do think that essential things what lack between bloggers and designers are sometimes OPEN COMMUNICATION or LACK OF RULES. I am not a control freak, but yes. Rules.
    I think that root of all problems are basically either designer who is unavailable, either blogger who is too afraid to not to be accepted. I know that many new bloggers are too afraid to speak their mind about their personal style or rules they have, IF they were actually sit down, think through and set their own. If they don’t apply because of wrong reasons, to get free items. From my experience, every designer you apply to blog for actually love to hear your side of story and are ready to talk about details, about your style and your way of thinking. Even sometimes about your problems. So….

    1. Photoshop – I never experienced that someone have a “need Photoshop” criteria. I’ve seen tons of great bloggers doing only a hint of editing photos or not at all, but their ideas overpowered it all. And I am stunned by their virtuosity. I NEEDED to use Photoshop not because I’m so cool or super-crafty human-unicorn being, but because my Mac combined with my internet signal in my county is not in love affair, more in open war. My avatar has been bald, my hair was turned into mess, my eyes looks like I’m pure evil etc. I needed it. What I think about PS is that blogs should be graded by CREATIVITY, not skills which can be learned or achieved with boosted machines. Blog should rate by quality, not quantity or learned skills who can over-power any meaningfull idea.

    2. 2. Flickr views – it’s a tricky thing. It can be boosted, it can be cheated. Flickr for some works on simple things – “give=get”. It is full of bad things, but it is full of amazing things. But yet, it IS somehow my favourite social network related to SL. Since I remember (and I am for 7y in SL), there was tons of people who even had their blogs only there. It is easy to connect, easy to share photos in a group and easy for designers to follow you and your work there. So, yes, I do love Flickr, but it should not be rule to have enough views (let’s say there was some designers asking 1000+ per pic) and to be criteria to disregard someone in blogger application process.

    3. “Being payed” – I must say I strongly disagree with Nanny on her statement above. We DO NOT get payed. We cannot count our work in money. Because money in blogger world is close to fiction. I do believe that more than half blogger have no idea how their last post would cost if buying it all. I will apologise if I’m wrong. But I never keep exact track on how something cost nor I will blog something simple because it “cost much”. If blogging because saving money as said “cos I buy less lindens than I used to because I don’t spend as much as I used to when I didn’t have much sponsors, so I even see that on rl money”, I simple think it is wrong. It is only my opinion, but I do think we pay with every nice word we get and we payed off with creativity and – countable – commercial to certain designer (or commercial to a blogger in reverse, except that bloggers don’t get payed by fb likes or flickr faves).

    But somehow I think that most important thing about blogging you claimed in this sentence: “I’ve had to deal with some really rude designers while blogging, and it makes me wonder why, it’s like some designers think that because we blog, because we get given free items that we should feel privileged and that we owe them something for that right.” Some people grade everything in money. Worst experience I had is when once one then young designer send me his item while me being offline. He did not give me his details, his requirements, explained his style (when I couldn’t see the rest of his items). Most important, he DID NOT GIVE ME THE CHOICE to accept or refuse beforehand he gave me his item. When I logged in, I explained my rules with what he agreed and he told me how he found me and said how he like my style so I can blog it or not, it is on me. After the talk, I realised how I don’t see myself wearing that item. I asked for the links of more items, saw something what fits my style (since, again, I did not applied myself!) and asked that. He refused to send the item. Then, for the sake of promoting new designer who had potential, I decided to put him on “to do list” for that month. Item I got was not participating in any fair and was not ANYHOW time limited to blog. After only few days, I got removed from his friends list and got quite rude note. Also, I got bad, disrespectfull review on my flickr where I was WEARING OTHER PEOPLE’S WORK + MY OWN PICTURE. Also, I’ve heard about bad stuff he’s been telling about me, how I OWE HIM because I accepted the item. To repeat, I did not apply for that person. He was not official sponsor. He did not give me choice to return item. He did not said his requirements.

    So, in conclusion, I must agree on all: I think we should start to love and respect our blogger-designer symbiosis a lot more. Blogger should be able to express themselves in terms they initially accept, and in any case of change – if designer change the rule, blogger can leave, if reverse, designer can kick him/her out.
    But never to disrespect someone’s time or efforts.
    Let’s spread the unicornish-sparkle everywhere.

    Thank you. (and don’t kill me with the hammer because I wrote this much)

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  17. Very interesting post! And I salute you for having the courage openly express your opinion.
    I have been a blogger for 5 years and things have definitely changed over the years. Blogging does take a lot of work, my blogging process can take from 3 to 4 hours.
    In order to not feel overwhelmed, I’ve set myself a limit of brands I will blog for. I have less than 10 brands and only one event. This way I am able to meet all the requirements of the brands I blog for, and sometimes even do way over that, and then I buy a lot of items. These items I buy I will decide how I want to blog them and if I want to credit them, and if I don’t blog them it is still a win-win situation. I find this way I can be stress free and if I am stress free I am able to create quality posts.
    As someone who occasionally makes items I find it very important that if a blogger applies to blog a brand they must be familiar with the brand and have bought an item (or even blogged it) at least once before, as we know some ”bloggers” have given other bloggers a bad name because all they want is some free items.

    As for flickr views and faves thing, I have mixed feelings. I see amazing bloggers with great style and pictures but they are not as known, so they don’t get as much views and faves.

    Thank you for making this great post! Happy blogging. 😉

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  18. Thank you for having the courage to write this post. I am sure most bloggers have complaints about designers, but then again, I have no doubt the reverse is equally true 🙂

    I am going to weigh in on a couple of points. Firstly, about the designer saying their product should be prominently displayed to be tagged. I have to disagree on that point. The reason for tagging an item is to help readers find information – not just on your blog, but through search engines – which pick up on keywords (like tags!). Maybe the nail applier wasn’t entirely visible in the post, but if someone is searching for the store, the information to find it is on the blog. My philosophy is to credit EVERYTHING in the photo – whether it is the main focus of the post or barely visible in the background. It takes a LOT of time to do this, but hey, who knows? Somebody may be interested in the rug that is peeking out from under the sofa that I am sitting on. Or perhaps on a full body shot my eyelashes aren’t really noticeable – but I’m wearing them and they are part of the whole effect of the image. I would hope that designers appreciate the fact that they we are getting their name out there, whether as the focus of the photo or merely a complimentary product.

    That being said, if I use a product from a blogging group that is barely visible, I don’t consider that to be one of my required items in my post count. Technically, yes, it is, but morally, I just won’t do it. Having mutual respect is the main key to a good working relationship between people and I do my utmost to give as well as take 🙂

    The other point I wanted to touch on (which seems to have become more prominent in comments than your blog) is Flickr views. I post all of my photos on Flickr and join the requisite groups of the store or event, but I refuse to just blindly follow anyone in Second Life who happens to have a Flickr account. I enjoy looking at photos on Flickr and I hate having my feed clogged with photos that I find distasteful, simply in the hopes that those people MIGHT view and/or like my pictures. I do review the photostream of every person before adding them, so I am more than likely never going to hit 1000 followers, let alone get 300+ views. I also refuse to join hundreds of groups, mainly because I am not someone who just adds a photo to every group in my list, regardless of the group rules. (Being a moderator of a couple of groups myself, I cannot tell you the time it takes to review the images and eject those that don’t follow the rules!)

    If that eliminates me as a candidate to blog for a designer I love, then so be it. I won’t waste their time applying and I won’t stop blogging their products, simply because they didn’t choose me as an official blogger.

    I know you – and a lot of other bloggers – use the term “sponsor.” This is not a criticism, but I have a different view. Nobody “sponsors” my blog, because nobody is paying for my domain name or my Photoshop subscription or my PicMonkey Royale account. In my view, anyone who did that so that I could blog I would consider a sponsor. I am an “official blogger” for several designers, and I blog their products when they suit my style and when I can blog them in a positive light. I do sometimes offer constructive criticism on my blog, but normally if I don’t like an item, I just don’t blog it. I have dropped out of blogging groups simply because their expectations of what is MY style were different from my own. But only I have to live with myself, and nobody else can tell me what is right and wrong…for ME. I won’t be forced to blog something that I can’t make look good, simply to hit a quota. I have a Review Policy on my blog; it is my belief that if I have to follow rules, so, too, do the designers and blog managers who make the decisions on whether or not I blog their products in an official capacity. It all goes back to that “mutual respect” thing 🙂

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    • Thanks for your reply! You’re entirely correct, I think I, if not a lot of people, use the term sponsor instead of official blogger for, I think I shall go and change my pages to relate official blogger for stores and official blogger for events as you have really hit the nail on the head, I don’t have anyone paying for this site, I don’t pay for it myself at the moment as I don’t have the money to spare for a domain name.

      I also will only blog items I like, I have stated this in my about me section as I found a few stores that I was an official blogger for in the past wanted their bloggers to blog everything or close to everything that they released to the group, this is something that I wont do. With the designers that I currently officially blog for, they have been quite happy with any posts i’ve done for them and have been happy to receive constructive criticism when I’ve tried on a product and found something that hasn’t looked right.

      The flickr views thing was something that I used as an example of requirements already in place, I wasn’t expecting that to become a main focal point, but I guess I understand the frustration as before I added a bunch of people on flickr I wasn’t getting very high views either.

      I think that comes down to what you want your blog to be as well, because if you’re happy with it being a hobby and something that you do every now and then, then flickr views isn’t something to worry about. For me personally, I started to wonder what works from a marketing perspective. In real life, marketing companies are given huge budgets to do digital marketing campaigns. I started to wonder, what works with no money at all so I started to add people to flickr, spam facebook, add people to that, make accounts on all the other social networks. This was an experiment for me to see how well it can be done without adding a single dollar towards advertising. It certainly isn’t for everyone, but unfortunately if you want to generate views on your blog, if you want to get more sponsors and meet their requirements then that’s the way to do it. I personally wanted to blog for more stores and have more “sponsors” because I was lucky enough to get into the fantasy gacha carnival bloggers group and really enjoyed going through the items and blogging them, from there I saw that there were designers looking for bloggers and just went for it, it was never about free items, it was about hey this store makes some cool stuff and they’re looking for bloggers, might as well put in an application and see where it goes. Most of the obligations are usually 2 or 3 items a month for stores with is very fair and I often go over that depending on the items I find and the time I have to be able to blog (which unfortunately in 10 days will go down a lot as classes start again and I’ll be on the study train!) I think I’ll stop here cause I think I’m rambling again haha

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      • Ramble away! You make very valid points 🙂 I, too, spam Facebook, Twitter and Flickr with my photos. I guess I could bite the bullet and add a million people to my Flickr account to generate views then create a new account to just view the photos I enjoy. But for some reason, it just seems a bit seedy…for ME to do. I don’t have any problem with people who do it. It just isn’t for me 🙂

        I have the honour of blogging for several designers and currently, one event who I have a very good working relationship with. They respect my right to blog what works for me and I do my very best to show their products in the best way I possibly can. Everything else I blog, I buy. I rarely get online during the week, so 90% of my photography is done on the weekend. That means that I sometimes don’t get something I love blogged in the first few days of an event or after a new release. But my view is this – I KNOW that for the vast majority of events, traffic goes down after the first few days. When I post something a week or two after the event has started, I consider it a reminder to those people who gave up on getting in, forgot about it, or just didn’t hear about it.

        Clever marketing, maybe? 😉

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    • I always blog items after the event has started, this has been something I’ve done since before I was in any bloggers groups, being from Australia my internet is shocking, when I go to an event it takes me half an hour or more to rez anything so my posts have always come out after a week or so of an event being started because that’s when traffic is low enough for me to go to an event and have a somewhat lag free shopping experience. I think the idea that things need to be blogged as they come out has its place but there’s something to be said for marketing a product after it’s initial release. I could go into product life cycles and all sorts of marketing geek related things, but I think the majority of people go to events after the initial opening when things have quietened down, otherwise events wouldn’t last a month 😉

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    • When it comes to Flickr, I follow a lot of people, and have a large amount of followers myself, but I am not sacrificing quality for quantity when I advise people to add a lot of people on Flickr. I most definitely make sure I am adding people who’s work I admire and/or can relate to. If I don’t personally enjoy their photos (for example, I’m not a fan of extremely pornographic photos) I don’t follow them. BUT that being said, I really don’t want people to have the impression that following a lot people and having a lot of followers in return makes your efforts “cheap” in some way. I don’t think that is the case. Yes, adding photos to groups that are no way involved with the subject matter of your photo is cheap. I do agree with that. But using a lot of groups to your advantage that are relevant to your photo isn’t cheap or cheating. It all really comes down to is what you personally want to see come out of your blog. It can be many different things, but if one of them happens to be garnering a large following so that the stores you officially blog for are seen more often, then using Flickr to showcase your work is an advantage. With probably tens of thousands of SL residents on Flickr, I am sure that a large group of them are worth following and appreciating on your own time, and if a benefit to that is them appreciating your work in return, then that is a good thing from my perspective.

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      • Thanks for this reply, you’ve articulated what I’ve thought with flickr much better than I could have! It does get tiring if you add to a lot of groups to keep up with them, but as you said it comes down to what you want to get out of your blog. If you want to market it and be as successful as you can, then flickr is an awesome tool, I’ll be doing a post on it as I have found that flickr is one of the social networks that work better than most. I’d love to grab your thoughts on what sort of groups work better in the way of say forced comment/award groups compared to spam groups etc!

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  19. Hi Leesee! ♥ I’ve been reading the comments quietly with interest and fascination, as I’m a very new blogger with a very long blog SL blog awareness (started reading them around 2006, I believe). In that way, I’ve seen and experienced both sides of the coin, and the significant shifts in how SL blogging is approached and how it’s turned into a truly mutual beneficial (and hopefully just as mutual respectful) platform for both designers and bloggers.

    I don’t have much to add other than to sincerely offer my appreciation and gratitude that you expressed your feelings and experiences so honestly, and I’m sure many bloggers and designers can benefit from your experiences and the conversation that you’ve inspired. You’re wonderful!

    Your thoughts on Facebook have been really compelling for me, as I don’t use that site myself and have been hesitant to do so since FB’s policy on disallowing avatar names/accounts has come into focus. If you’re still interested in writing more “opinion/marketing” pieces, I would absolutely love to know how to use Facebook effectively to promote a Second Life blog/avatar without running afoul of their policies. I know some people set up RL accounts and try to add people that way, but it must be difficult to do that if your RL name and avie name don’t match and there’s no clear way to make the distinction that you’re one and the same. A SL’ers guide to Facebook would be tremendously appreciated! ♥

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    • It’s funny you mention this, I’ve just clicked on the “new post” button to do just that! As it really has brought to life that what seems to be a simple thought process to me, might not be for other people. Thanks for putting this up because it gives me a few ideas of things to touch on! ♥

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      • I’ve been meaning to do it for a while to be honest, I had spoken to another blogger from the sl blogger support group a few months ago but nothing ever eventuated, maybe putting up a post might encourage other bloggers to share as they’ve done with this one so we can all get a few tips and tricks from each other 😀

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  21. I must apologize because I don’t have the attention span at the moment to read the entire blogpost – I admit, I did skim read. But the general idea – that a shop owner had the audacity to tell you what to do on your blog for a thing they didn’t give you or ask you to blog, is outrageous. And I say that as a shop owner who’s experienced plenty of the opposite side of the coin – bloggers who ask for free things and their example posts of my work don’t actually show my work. It’s not a big deal, really, because I’m comfortable saying “sorry, no”. But it’s weird and disappointing that people think that that would be acceptable in the first place. Likewise, it’s disappointing to me that a fellow creator thinks it’s acceptable to boss a blogger around for work that was not even requested. It’s frankly shameful. And I’m sorry you even had to experience that (however minor it may have been).

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  22. I couldn’t agree more wit you Shari , I think we all fel the same frustrations. We work hard and provide a service basically for free and are sometims unappreciated and or taken advantage of. Thankfully I have some amazing sponsors who appreciate my work

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  25. I think in a little way, you are torn between just wanting to blog what you want and the perk of receiving free inventory. It is true that designer’s should afford a blogger respect, just as we afford them the same courtesy. However, if you receive items, you “are” being paid (in Second Life manner) for your blogging by the receipt of designer’s items, so they can make certain requests for the use of their items. Second Life uses a sort of bartering system for receiving a product for services rendered. Sure, in real life you would be paid monetarily, unfortunately SL doesn’t constitute a monetary society. Besides, Feeds, flickr, google+, twitter, and FB are instantaneously updated so I wouldn’t dream to “charge” a designer for social media anyway.

    However, I should note I personally I pay for “most” of the items I blog, but I structured my blog as a blog for consumers not designers, I even mention it here, http://anchailinalainn.com/about/ , towards the bottom of the page. And even include this comment “If you wish for me to consider blogging your brand, please send me a Notecard inworld with a texture with the name of the items you wish for me to consider. I reserve the right to choose not to blog something I feel will not fit well into the persona of my avatar because I feel above all Caoimhe, like me, wishes to treat all people with integrity, both the designers and my readers.” But also, as I mentioned on Kat’s blog post, at the end of the day YOU are YOUR brand too, so you should be able to negotiate whether you have to follow all the rules of the designers to be in their blog groups. I am not IN a lot for blogger groups (perhaps 10 groups) but for those designer’s whose groups I am in I agree to be in the group with the stipend that though I will TRY to blog to their terms, I can’t always guarantee it and on those times I don’t blog, I just won’t keep or use the item. As to the tons of inventory, I hear you. Some people find it odd when I say this, but I have very little inventory, I seldom wear the same thing twice, just tossing it when I am done. I keep only the really unique pieces I think I might be able to use again for a style project.

    And I agree with Becky, this is your space, your little corner of the cyber-world and you can post anything you want on your blog. Like Becky, (and you) I use my blog as my virtual “diary” (more so in prior years than now, due to condensed time, i.e. the RL job), but you can certainly give an honest opinion, you pay the rent on this place, not the designer. And seriously, LOL if the designer had said something like that to ME I think my “edit” would have been to completely edit the credit of their item off my post since they do not employ you to blog for them and you were just being generous. I also agree with my friend, Zivaah and as a blog manager, I have to say, for the designer I manage, we do not REQUIRE photoshopped pictures, we require GOOD pictures though, and I think any designer has the right to ask for that. If you look at my blog pics I DO use photoshop, but my pics are basically just photographs that have been cropped, and that’s all because, again, the time consumption thing.

    Great post! Hope you don’t mind me sticking my nose in. 😀 Lil Cao

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    • I don’t mind you sticking your nose in at all 🙂 I’d love to touch on all of the post but it’s 2am for me so I’m just going to add something real quick.

      “Besides, Feeds, flickr, google+, twitter, and FB are instantaneously updated so I wouldn’t dream to “charge” a designer for social media anyway.” This depends on how you go about things, Feeds, google+, twitter, FB are instantaneously updated through wordpress yes, (not facebook for me at the moment because it’s not being nice and showing my feature pictures when it goes up there so I have to share it after the fact to my page). Flickr I personally upload my pictures to after I’ve done my post. I then add them to groups etc before I upload them to my flickr page. Social media is a lot of work, while I wouldn’t charge a designer for it, the point I was trying to make is that it’s not as easy as just linking to things in a blog and some recognition from those designers who complain would be appreciated. I spend about two hours after a post adding to groups etc on flickr alone after I’ve done a post.

      It’s not as easy as just creating an account either, what’s the point in having a twitter, pinterest, google+, fb account if you don’t have anyone to look at your posts, you need to add a bunch of people on each account, that takes time again, once it’s all set up then there’s not much time involved on most sites, but to have a decent following you still have to like other people’s stuff and have some sort of presence on social network sites.

      “LOL if the designer had said something like that to ME I think my “edit” would have been to completely edit the credit of their item off my post since they do not employ you to blog for them and you were just being generous” I actually didn’t change the post at all, I should take them out of the post, but meh my protest is not giving them what they want haha.

      “we do not REQUIRE photoshopped pictures, we require GOOD pictures though,” This is something that I’d love to pick your brain about. There is a lot of room to what a good picture is, if you go to say this picture from my older posts… https://www.flickr.com/photos/97464780@N02/17290484771/in/dateposted-public/ This is an unedited, straight from second life to flickr using the flickr upload button in firestorm. To me, this is high resolution and is a fairly decent picture, to others it may be utter crap. What defines a good picture? I think this is a question that a lot of smaller bloggers would like to know, it’s certainly one that I would have loved to know before I started using photoshop, hell I’m sure there’s people who think my pictures are crap now lol but the definition of what is a good picture would be one I’d love to elaborate on more!

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      • Now see? I like that picture and don’t find anything in particular “wrong” with it. You actually did something I rarely do, you included feet. 😉 But that said, the reason I do not typically include feet is so the viewer can get a good up close look at whatever it is I am blogging about. But then I don’t normally have a lot of background either, tending to do my pictures the way you might see something in Vogue, typically just about the fashion. Yours isn’t incorrect at all, how you showcase your item is personal preference. Just know I would not tell you that you can’t blog bc you don’t photoshop. So there is know real “method” of saying what constitutes good or bad pictures, at the end of the its simply whether the designer likes your photo’s of their clothes. Some probably think mine are too simple and a load of crap, but that’s OK. I just have to make my designers and readers happy.

        My social media does auto share everywhere (including FB) but agreed, you do have to take the initial steps to get things rolling. but once the steps are taken I don’t have to “redo” them for the next designer. But yes, you DO have to continually maintain all those relationships. As to the LOL remark, my comment was more to the fact that you are much kinder than I would have responded I think. I hope you have sweet dreams!

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    • I read your post and really enjoyed it. In the morning when I wake up I shall have a read again as there’s a few things I wanted to comment on but don’t have the brain capacity right now haha! Thanks for linking your post here so I could see it! ❤

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  30. Ask yourself, if you created a piece of jewelry like an earring or some cute shoes and a blogger made a photo where she is standing in a middle of a field with the flowers up to her knees what would you think about it, would you be happy with your items barely visible in that photo? Or would you say she tagged you just so she can say she blogged your stuff. I bet you wouldn’t be happy and for sure you couldn’t say the blogger did any marketing for you , or at least not successful marketing because they didn’t manage to make any reader interested in the item simply because the item is not visible.

    Both you as a blogger and the designer has the right to enjoy the work you do. If you think it is too much work to tag every single item or to sort out your inventory then don’t accept all review copies that are offered to you, don’t use review copies in a blog post if you can’t show them, don’t tag the designer if you are not sure the item is shown in a best possible way.

    We are not same, we can’t like same things, its silly to feel ofended or to think you are not good enough if a certain designer doesn’t like your style. There are tons of others who would be happy to see you used their items. Its also silly to ask so much from bloggers, specially the part about the views and favorites and spam groups. But same as the average blogger wants to blog for every possible event and get in every group and receive review copies from many popular stores same goes for designers, they want to get as many sales as they can but they won’t get any sales if the reader can’t see the product.

    Its not easy to be a blogger but many forget that often the designers are supporting themselves with their stores, it is a real business to them and a real business asks a real marketing. If you think getting clothing is not enough then ask for lindens or make a paypal and ask for real life currency. But please don’t think adding pictures to Fb and Flickr spam groups where 90% of users act like bots and are able to break their thumbs while adding to favorites 50+ pics per min while standing in some line waiting to buy a rl donut can be counted as marketing.

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    • “Ask yourself, if you created a piece of jewelry like an earring or some cute shoes and a blogger made a photo where she is standing in a middle of a field with the flowers up to her knees what would you think about it, would you be happy with your items barely visible in that photo?” I wouldn’t blog something that isn’t visible, that was my whole point, it’s visible that I’m wearing an applier in the picture. Just because you can’t see the pattern on the nail doesn’t make it any less visible.

      “If you think it is too much work to tag every single item or to sort out your inventory then don’t accept all review copies that are offered to you, don’t use review copies in a blog post if you can’t show them, don’t tag the designer if you are not sure the item is shown in a best possible way” my inventory is almost at 90k items. This by no means means I accept every single review item I get. Or that I keep every review item I get. I’ve been in sl for 7 years. That’s a lot of shopping. Sorting it out when you’re not someone who finds organizing something like that enjoyable as a hobby is overwhelming. Who is to say what is showing a review copy in the best possible way? If you can see I’m wearing something in my picture isn’t that enough to tag it? And I never once said it’s too much work to tag. Doesn’t mean that we don’t do the work.

      “Its not easy to be a blogger but many forget that often the designers are supporting themselves with their stores, it is a real business to them and a real business asks a real marketing.” I find this interesting. What do you consider real marketing? I’m studying an advanced diploma in marketing at the moment so this comment really peaked my interest. There is a lot to marketing and advertising.

      “But please don’t think adding pictures to Fb and Flickr spam groups where 90% of users act like bots and are able to break their thumbs while adding to favorites 50+ pics per min while standing in some line waiting to buy a rl donut can be counted as marketing.”

      It is indeed marketing adding to groups. The whole idea behind it is to generate exposure to your pics in hope that people looking at your picture click your blog link and then click on your slurl to go to the store to buy the products you’re wearing. Explain to me how that isn’t marketing? If you’re adding to groups without a blog link sure it’s not marketing as you’re not trying to get exposure for your blog. But if you’re adding to groups with the specific purpose of trying to generate traffic to your blog then it’s marketing. Can’t say I’ve ever added a pic to groups while not sitting at my computer, if someone takes their blogging seriously enough that they’re adding pics to groups while out of the house and in a queue then I say that’s dedication! Thanks for your reply! Sorry for any spelling mistakes I’ve just woken up and am replying on my phone lol

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      • Good morning:)) I just came home after working all day so sry in advance for all grammar mistakes (not that I don’t do them when fully rested lol)…

        I was trying to explain that it hurts the designers feelings if their item is not recognisable. When a random person can look at the photo and say “hey I know who created this!” or “omg I love this texture” then the item is visible, everything else will hurt the designers feelings, specially if you managed to show all other items. I know its not on purpose and you just wanted to make a nice complete outfit for your avi.

        What I consider a real marketing is one that makes people click the teleport button and go buy the item you blogged. Some will do it because you tagged them in Fb post, or a photo, or because you posted in a Fb spam group 5mins before they did it so they could see your post during those 2 seconds it takes to hit the “post” button before they run to open the next Fb spam group. How many people went and bought stuff just because they saw your blog posts or photos you share on various social sites? I don’t know and don’t really care to find out, I just discovered your blog and I like that you are curious enough to test different things, I hope that you will see what works best for you and what things you can avoid.

        Adding to groups is marketing but not to every possible group one can join, if you do that people will unfollow you because you are everywhere. Do you want to be boring persona that screams LOOK AT ME!!!! from every damn site and post? There is one girl on my Fb that makes really nice photos, more for herself than for others. She has her own style and colors, she likes to take photos of her avatar in similar pose and angle. You could say that all of her photos are similar, if not same. And its not interesting or inspiring to look at her photos day afer day after day after day…. I just scroll over. You don’t want to be that girl. Thats antimarketing.

        Don’t think I meant something bad about your blog or posting style, I am just annoyed and really disappointed to see the majority of people who post on Flickr think spam equals marketing and they just hit “like” on every possible photo without even checking it. I believe bloggers started this because designers asked for tons of views and favs and they had to get them in a short time.

        Its all fake and just about numbers, if you are wondering how the person gets 99+ favs on every possible photo just open their profile and check the number of favorites they have added, many have added over 100,000 favorites (and it is only way for them to get 99+ favs back). Decide for yourself, which do you value more… a person that posts in 200 groups and gets 20 favorites or one that posts in 5 groups and gets 3 favorites on their photo?

        Sorry if I went on some other topic but you said you’re interested in marketing…

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      • Thanks for your reply! It’s given me a few things to think about in regards to groups and views on Flickr which is really relevant to me right now especially with my Flickr study. Puts a new perspective on adding to groups. I know that I do it for exposure and my study is looking at what equals blog clicks. And so far you’re right. Adding to groups doesn’t seem to sell a blog.

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